Comments on: CEP and Agents… http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/ Complex Event Processing (CEP) Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:19:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: vincent http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-394 vincent Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:47:28 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/#comment-394 Hi Herb. I'm sure there are a few startups in the space of events - rules - agents / networks - data mining. Their problem is finding an edge over existing solutions: for example, since TIBCO BE3 in 3Q08 we've had agent-based rules + queries with a high performance scalable data grid (aka cloud) with the option of Spotfire S+ analytics. Deployed with customers, too. It's got to be tough to find a niche nowadays... [PS: are you guys contemplating CEP up in Renton? ] Hi Herb. I’m sure there are a few startups in the space of events - rules - agents / networks - data mining. Their problem is finding an edge over existing solutions: for example, since TIBCO BE3 in 3Q08 we’ve had agent-based rules + queries with a high performance scalable data grid (aka cloud) with the option of Spotfire S+ analytics. Deployed with customers, too. It’s got to be tough to find a niche nowadays…

[PS: are you guys contemplating CEP up in Renton? ]

]]> By: Herbert A. Lowe http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-393 Herbert A. Lowe Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:22:53 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/#comment-393 The combination of using mobile agents along with complex events processing is one area of computer science which requires further research. One very innovative start-up here in the US, Mobile Agent Technologies, is working in this field to combine these software architectural models but incorporate predictive modeling, a rules engine, cloud computing and a knowledge repository as well. Their website is http://www.agentos.net The combination of using mobile agents along with complex events processing is one area of computer science which requires further research. One very innovative start-up here in the US, Mobile Agent Technologies, is working in this field to combine these software architectural models but incorporate predictive modeling, a rules engine, cloud computing and a knowledge repository as well. Their website is http://www.agentos.net

]]> By: Complex Event Processing (CEP) Blog » DEBS08(2) - Overloaded Agents http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-187 Complex Event Processing (CEP) Blog » DEBS08(2) - Overloaded Agents Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:10:42 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/#comment-187 [...] as last week when Jim Odell presented at the OMG meeting on the OMG Agent Metamodel and Profile for agent-based programming (listing CEP amongst its uses). We at TIBCO talk about (large granularity) Event Processing Agents (which collaborate as multiple [...] [...] as last week when Jim Odell presented at the OMG meeting on the OMG Agent Metamodel and Profile for agent-based programming (listing CEP amongst its uses). We at TIBCO talk about (large granularity) Event Processing Agents (which collaborate as multiple [...]

]]> By: vincent http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-141 vincent Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:36:05 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/#comment-141 Further discussion also on the CEP Forum at http://forum.complexevents.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=75 Further discussion also on the CEP Forum at http://forum.complexevents.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=75

]]> By: Peter Lin http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-139 Peter Lin Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:12:37 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/#comment-139 Hi Paul, Thanks for responding. I hope my paper is useful to you. In my research, I didn't find anyone using the approach I describe in my paper. I also have a Distributed RETE algorithm Said Tabet and I worked on. We filed a patent for it back in 2004. I've described the approach on JESS mailing list for anyone that wants an informal description of the approach. I agree that distributed memory and distributed reasoning will become more important in the future. Once the patent office grants us the patent, i plan to write up a detailed paper explaining the approach. given the huge backlog at the patent office, that's going to be another 1 or 2. peter Hi Paul,

Thanks for responding. I hope my paper is useful to you. In my research, I didn’t find anyone using the approach I describe in my paper.

I also have a Distributed RETE algorithm Said Tabet and I worked on. We filed a patent for it back in 2004. I’ve described the approach on JESS mailing list for anyone that wants an informal description of the approach.

I agree that distributed memory and distributed reasoning will become more important in the future. Once the patent office grants us the patent, i plan to write up a detailed paper explaining the approach. given the huge backlog at the patent office, that’s going to be another 1 or 2.

peter

]]> By: vincent http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-137 vincent Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:37:06 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/#comment-137 Peter - TIBCO uses a modified Rete algorithm, closely aligned with the OMG PRR standard. I can't comment on the temporal implementation details, I'm afraid. Peter - TIBCO uses a modified Rete algorithm, closely aligned with the OMG PRR standard. I can’t comment on the temporal implementation details, I’m afraid.

]]> By: vincent http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-136 vincent Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:33:33 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/#comment-136 PatternStorm - the main issue with agent-based CEP is the need for history / memory. Do agents share a memory "blackboard"? Or do they somehow become a distributed memory? But for sure, distributed approaches will / are very important... PatternStorm - the main issue with agent-based CEP is the need for history / memory. Do agents share a memory “blackboard”? Or do they somehow become a distributed memory? But for sure, distributed approaches will / are very important…

]]> By: peter lin http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-128 peter lin Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:57:11 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/#comment-128 I'm curious. What kind of rule engine does Tibco use? Recently, I wrote up some of my research into extending RETE algorithm for temporal logic. You can find it here http://jamocha.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jamocha/morendo/doc/Temporal_Logic_Extension_for_RETE_Algorithm.doc?view=log I’m curious. What kind of rule engine does Tibco use? Recently, I wrote up some of my research into extending RETE algorithm for temporal logic. You can find it here

http://jamocha.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jamocha/morendo/doc/Temporal_Logic_Extension_for_RETE_Algorithm.doc?view=log

]]> By: Scheduling Agents with Rules Engines « The Complex Event Processing Blog http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-127 Scheduling Agents with Rules Engines « The Complex Event Processing Blog Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:34:02 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/#comment-127 [...] Scheduling Agents with Rules Engines Paul Vincent of TIBCO talks about agents in his post, CEP and Agents… [...] [...] Scheduling Agents with Rules Engines Paul Vincent of TIBCO talks about agents in his post, CEP and Agents… [...]

]]> By: PatternStorm http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/comment-page-1/#comment-126 PatternStorm Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:56:58 +0000 http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2008/04/03/cep-and-agents/#comment-126 As a I see it CEP engines might evolve to become more of a runtime (i.e. like an application server if you want) into which to deploy and run event processing agents arranged in event processing networks, more than what today actually are (i.e. kind of on-line "database" servers). An industry standard might be required in order for users to be able to define event processing networks in a platform independent way therefore being able to execute them on any compliant event processing runtime (ooups! sorry, engine). The relationship to agent technologies (although I see a stronger relationship to actor models) comes in the way an event processing runtime might be architected: I think it would be a good idea to closely follow actor model and reactive programming principles. As a I see it CEP engines might evolve to become more of a runtime (i.e. like an application server if you want) into which to deploy and run event processing agents arranged in event processing networks, more than what today actually are (i.e. kind of on-line “database” servers). An industry standard might be required in order for users to be able to define event processing networks in a platform independent way therefore being able to execute them on any compliant event processing runtime (ooups! sorry, engine). The relationship to agent technologies (although I see a stronger relationship to actor models) comes in the way an event processing runtime might be architected: I think it would be a good idea to closely follow actor model and reactive programming principles.

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